2022 : Simulating the Finals Series After Round 21
/Time for a look at the latest set of simulations for the 2022 Finals.
Read MoreTime for a look at the latest set of simulations for the 2022 Finals.
Read MoreAt this point in the season, simulations are essentially simple mathematics, but let’s see what that mathematics reveals for one last time this season.
The latest Standard and Heretical simulations suggest the following:
Geelong: virtually assured of the Minor Premiership
Collingwood and Sydney: 70-75% chances for Top 4
Melbourne: 60% chances for Top 4
Brisbane Lions and Fremantle: 45-50% chances for Top 4
Richmond: 85% chances of playing Finals
Carlton: 80% chances of playing Finals
St Kilda and Western Bulldogs: 15-20% chances of playing Finals
Time to take a look at the latest set of simulations for the 2022 Finals, which begin in exactly one month’s time.
Read MoreThis will probably be the second-last time I do these simulations for the men’s competition in 2022, because home-and-away ladder simulations are generally fairly boring with just a single round to play
These latest ones - both Standard and Heretical - suggest that the teams can now be roughly grouped as follows:
Geelong: assured of a Top 8 finish and almost certainly a Top 4 finish, and about 90% chances for the Minor Premiership
Melbourne and Sydney: assured of a Top 8 finish, 85-90% chances for Top 4, and around 2-8% chances for the Minor Premiership (higher for Melbourne)
Collingwood and Brisbane Lions: virtually assured of a Top 8 finish, 45-50% chances for Top 4, and longshots for the Minor Premiership
Fremantle: virtually assured of a Top 8 finish and about 25% chances for Top 4
Carlton: 80-85% chance of playing Finals and around 4-5% chance of a Top 4 finish
Western Bulldogs: 50-60% chances of playing Finals
St Kilda and Richmond: around 30-35% chance of playing Finals
Gold Coast and Port Adelaide: longshots to play Finals
Hawthorn, Essendon, Adelaide, GWS, West Coast, and North Melbourne: looking to 2023 and draft picks
With just a month’s worth of football to go now until the Finals, let’s take a look at the latest set of simulations for those Finals.
Read MoreThe latest simulations - both Standard and Heretical - suggest that the teams can now be roughly grouped as follows:
Geelong: assured of a Top 8 finish, assured of a Top 4 finish, and 80-85% chances for the Minor Premiership
Melbourne, Brisbane Lions, and Sydney: assured of a Top 8 finish, 60-70% chances for Top 4, and around 2-6% chances for the Minor Premiership
Fremantle: assured of a Top 8 finish, 50-55% chances for Top 4, and around 2-3% chances for the Minor Premiership
Collingwood: virtually assured of a Top 8 finish, 30-35% chances for Top 4, and longshots for the Minor Premiership
Carlton: 90-95% chance of playing Finals, around 15% chance of a Top 4 finish, and extreme longshots for the Minor Premiership
Western Bulldogs: 55-60% chances of playing Finals and extreme longshots for a Top 4 finish
St Kilda and Richmond: 20-25% chance of playing Finals
Gold Coast, and Port Adelaide: 3-4% chance of playing Finals
Hawthorn, Essendon, Adelaide, GWS, West Coast, and North Melbourne: looking to 2023 and draft picks (with North Melbourne still favourites for the Spoon, and Hawthorn still mathematical chances of playing Finals)
With just five rounds to go now until the Finals, let’s take a look at the latest set of simulations for those Finals.
Read MoreThe latest simulations - both Standard and Heretical - suggest that the teams can now be roughly grouped as follows:
Geelong: assured of a Top 8 finish, virtually assured of a Top 4 finish, and 60-70% chances for the Minor Premiership
Melbourne: assured of a Top 8 finish, 80-85% chances for Top 4, and around 20% chances for the Minor Premiership
Brisbane Lions, Fremantle and Sydney: assured of a Top 8 finish, 55-75% chances for Top 4, and around 3-5% chances for the Minor Premiership
Collingwood: virtually assured of a Top 8 finish, 20-30% chances for Top 4, and longshots for the Minor Premiership
Carlton: 85-90% chance of playing Finals, around 15% chance of a Top 4 finish, and extreme longshots for the Minor Premiership
Richmond and Western Bulldogs: 35-45% chances of playing Finals and longshots for a Top 4 finish
St Kilda, Gold Coast, and Port Adelaide: 10-20% chance of playing Finals
Essendon, Hawthorn, Adelaide, GWS, West Coast, and North Melbourne: looking to 2023 and draft picks (with North Melbourne still favourites for the Spoon, and Essendon and Hawthorn still mathematical chances of playing Finals)
And now for this week’s look at Finals simulations.
Read MoreThe latest simulations - both Standard and Heretical - suggest that the teams can now be roughly grouped as follows:
Geelong: virtually assured of a Top 8 finish, 90-95% chances for Top 4, and 50-55% chances for the Minor Premiership
Melbourne and Fremantle: virtually assured of a Top 8 finish, 70-80% chances for Top 4, and around 15-20% chances for the Minor Premiership
Brisbane Lions and Sydney: virtually assured of a Top 8 finish, 45-55% chances for Top 4, and around 3-5% chances for the Minor Premiership
Collingwood and Carlton: 80-90% chance of playing Finals, 20-30% chance of a Top 4 finish, 1-3% for the Minor Premiership
Richmond: 65% chance of playing Finals, 8-10% chance of a Top 4 finish, extreme longshots for the Minor Premiership
St Kilda, Gold Coast, and Western Bulldogs: 20-25% chance of playing Finals, extreme longshots for a Top 4 finish
Port Adelaide: 15-20% chance of playing Finals, extreme longshots for a Top 4 finish
Hawthorn, Essendon, Adelaide, GWS, West Coast, and North Melbourne: looking to 2023 and draft picks (with North Melbourne the favourites for the Spoon)
Time to take another look at Finals simulations.
Read MoreThe latest simulations - both Standard and Heretical - suggest that the teams can now be roughly grouped as follows:
Melbourne: virtually assured of a Top 8 finish, 85% chances for Top 4, and 40% chances for the Minor Premiership
Brisbane Lions and Geelong: virtually assured of a Top 8 finish, 70-80% chances for Top 4, and around 15-30% chances for the Minor Premiership
Fremantle: virtually assured of a Top 8 finish, 50% chances for Top 4, and around 7-8% chances for the Minor Premiership
Collingwood, Carlton, Sydney, and Richmond: 65-85% chance of playing Finals, 15-35% chance of a Top 4 finish, longshots for the Minor Premiership
St Kilda and Western Bulldogs: 40-45% chance of playing Finals, 5-6% chance of a Top 4 finish, extreme longshots for Minor Premiership
Gold Coast and Port Adelaide: 10-25% chance of playing Finals, extreme longshots for a Top 4 finish
Adelaide, Hawthorn, GWS, and Essendon: ultra extreme longshots to play Finals
West Coast: very likely to finish 17th
North Melbourne: very likely to claim the Spoon
One of the challenges in running cold simulations (ie those where the underlying team ratings and Venue Performance Values don’t change within a simulation replicate based on simulated results) is capturing the inherently increasing uncertainty about team ratings in future games.
We could ignore it entirely or, instead, attempt to incorporate the time-varying nature of that uncertainty in some way. I have chosen to follow the latter course in both my home and away simulations and my finals simulations. (For details about the methodology, see this blog post.)
Specifically, I’ve assumed that the standard deviation of teams’ offensive and defensive ratings is equal to 4.5 times the square root of the time between their latest rating and the date of the match in question, measured in days. This results in some quite large standard deviations for moderately distant games.
Applying that methodology to 10,000 of the 50,000 home and away season simulation replicates yields the following chart showing teams’ Finals fate overall and as a function of their ultimate ladder position at the end of the home and away season.
Read MoreThe latest simulations - both Standard and Heretical - suggest that the teams can be roughly grouped as follows:
Melbourne: virtually assured of a Top 8 finish, 80% chances for Top 4, and 40% chances for the Minor Premiership
Geelong and Brisbane Lions: virtually assured of a Top 8 finish, 55-70% chances for Top 4, and around 15-20% chances for the Minor Premiership
Fremantle, Carlton, and Sydney: 75-90% chance of playing Finals, 30-50% chance of a Top 4 finish, 5-9% chances for Minor Premiership
Collingwood, Richmond, and Western Bulldogs: 50-70% chance of playing Finals, 10-25% chance of a Top 4 finish, longshots for Minor Premiership
St Kilda and Gold Coast: 25-40% chance of playing Finals, 3-6% chance of a Top 4 finish, extreme longshots for Minor Premiership
Port Adelaide: 12-13% chance of playing Finals, extreme longshots for a Top 4 finish
Adelaide, Hawthorn, GWS, and Essendon: extreme longshots to play Finals
West Coast and North Melbourne: likely to fight for the Spoon
So far this season the simulations have ended at the conclusion of the home and away season. Today we'll extend the simulations to include the entirety of the Finals series.
Read MoreThe latest simulations - both Standard and Heretical - suggest that the teams can be roughly grouped as follows:
Brisbane Lions, Fremantle, and Melbourne: virtually assured of a Top 8 finish, 65-80% chances for Top 4, and 20-30% chances for the Minor Premiership
Geelong: virtually assured of a Top 8 finish, 60% chances for Top 4, and around 15% chances for the Minor Premiership
Carlton, Sydney, Richmond, and Collingwood: 60-75% chance of playing Finals, 20-35% chance of a Top 4 finish, 1-5% chances for Minor Premiership
St Kilda, Western Bulldogs, and Gold Coast: 40-50% chance of playing Finals, 8-13% chance of a Top 4 finish, extreme longshots for Minor Premiership
Port Adelaide: 12-13% chance of playing Finals, longshots for a Top 4 finish
Adelaide, Hawthorn, and GWS: 0.2-0.8% chance of playing Finals
Essendon: extreme longshots to play Finals
North Melbourne and West Coast: likely to fight for the Spoon
The latest simulations - both Standard and Heretical - suggest that the teams can be roughly grouped as follows:
Brisbane Lions, Melbourne, Fremantle, and Geelong: virtually assured of a Top 8 finish, 60-70% chances for Top 4, and 15-25% chances for the Minor Premiership
Carlton, Sydney, and St Kilda: 70-80% chance of playing Finals, 30-45% chance of a Top 4 finish, 4-8% chances for Minor Premiership
Collingwood and Richmond: 60-65% chance of playing Finals, 15-20% chance of a Top 4 finish, longshot for Minor Premiership
Gold Coast and Western Bulldogs: 30-45% chance of playing Finals, 5-9% chance of a Top 4 finish, extreme longshots for Minor Premiership
Port Adelaide: 7-9% chance of playing Finals, longshots for a Top 4 finish
Adelaide, Hawthorn, and GWS: 0.5-1% chance of playing Finals
Essendon: extreme longshots to play Finals
North Melbourne and West Coast: very likely to fight for the Spoon
The latest simulations - both Standard and Heretical - suggest that the teams can be roughly grouped as followed:
Melbourne: virtually assured of a Top 4 finish and about a 2-in-5 chance to be Minor Premier
Geelong, Brisbane Lions, and Fremantle: 90%+ chance of playing Finals, 60% chance of a Top 4 finish and 1-in-7 to 1-in-8 chance of being Minor Premier
St Kilda, Sydney, and Carlton : 65-80% chance of playing Finals, 25-40% chance of a Top 4 finish, 5-7% chances for Minor Premiership
Richmond: 55-60% chance of playing Finals, 15-20% chance of a Top 4 finish, longshot for Minor Premiership
Collingwood, Gold Coast, and Western Bulldogs: 35-50% chance of playing Finals, 6-9% chance of a Top 4 finish, extreme longshots for Minor Premiership
Port Adelaide: 15-20% chance of playing Finals, longshots for a Top 4 finish
Adelaide, Hawthorn, and GWS: 1% chance of playing Finals
Essendon: extreme longshots to play Finals
North Melbourne and West Coast: very likely to fight for the Spoon
(For details about the methodologies I’ve used, see this earlier blog).
Read MoreThe latest simulations - both Standard and Heretical - suggest that the teams can be roughly grouped as followed:
Melbourne: virtually assured of a Top 4 finish and about a 3-in-5 chance to be Minor Premier
Brisbane Lions: 65-70% chance of a Top 4 finish and 1-in-5 or 1-in-6 chance of being Minor Premier
Fremantle, St Kilda, and Geelong: 80-90% chance of playing Finals, 40-50% chance of a Top 4 finish, 5-10% chances for Minor Premiership
Carlton: 70-80% chance of playing Finals, 30-35% chance of a Top 4 finish, longshots for Minor Premiership
Sydney, Richmond, and Western Bulldogs: 55-65% chance of playing Finals, 15-20% chance of a Top 4 finish, extreme longshots for Minor Premiership
Collingwood and Gold Coast: 35-45% chance of playing Finals, longshots for a Top 4 finish
Port Adelaide: 15-20% chance of playing Finals, extreme longshots for a Top 4 finish
Hawthorn, Adelaide, and GWS: 1-4% chance of playing Finals
Essendon: less than 1% chance of playing Finals
North Melbourne and West Coast: very likely to fight for the Spoon
The latest simulations - both Standard and Heretical - suggest that the teams can be roughly grouped as followed:
Melbourne: virtually assured of a Top 4 finish and very likely to be Minor Premier
Brisbane Lions: 65-75% chance of a Top 4 finish and 1-in-8 or 1-in-9 chance of being Minor Premier
Carlton, St Kilda, Geelong, Fremantle, and Richmond: 70-90% chance of playing Finals, 25-50% chance of a Top 4 finish, longshots for Minor Premiership
Sydney: 60-65% chance of playing Finals, 20-25% chance of a Top 4 finish
Western Bulldogs, Collingwood, Gold Coast, and Port Adelaide: 25-45% chance of playing Finals, longshots for a Top 4 finish
Hawthorn: 15% chance of playing Finals
Adelaide and GWS: 2-4% chance of playing Finals
Essendon: less than 1% chance of playing Finals
North Melbourne and West Coast: very likely to fight for the Spoon
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